2015 Haix Tali Open course statistics

The courses we play often contributes to the type of disc golfers we become. The Tali course is no different producing players who are most likely a bit more cautious than others. Phrases such as “let me just pitch up” or “I’ll grab my putter for this tee shot” are often heard from a Tali-tweller.

In this article I’ll present a course analysis based on 2015 HAIX Tali Open results as well as my own experiences in the course. The style will be similar to my Disc Golf in Numbers blog. I will refer to the competition hole numbering in Figure 2, and not the numbering of the permanent course. The regular number for most holes is two less than the competition number. For example the competition Hole 8 is usually Hole 6.

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Figure 1, Hole 1 is relatively easy to birdie with three accurate midrange shots. Hole 8 is perhaps the toughest hole in the course.

First I’ll present risk vs. reward profiles for each hole. For example Hole 1 in Figure 1 is a typical high risk – high reward hole. It’s a long and narrow par 5 with a slope towards the left-hand side OB. It’s very easy to slip away from the fairway, but three straight midrange shots and you should be putting for birdie. Alongside Hole 1 is Hole 8, which is a high risk – low reward hole. It is very long, very tight, has OB left and is considered a par 3. The only hole in Tali that I consider as a low risk – low reward hole would be Hole 17 in Figure 4, which is relatively easy to keep in-bounds but is too long for most players to birdie. The easiest holes are low risk – high reward type holes. For example the final island hole is a must get for the top players: it is 83 m long and has no obstructions.

I determined the hole profiles in Table 1 by a cluster analysis on two variables; ­ birdie percentage and bogey percentage of the 2015 Tali Open men’s division. To get deeper insight I also looked how the numbers changed between three groups: players who finished in position 1-30, players finishing 31-60 and players finishing 61-90. The raw data for the Open division, Women, Masters and Grandmasters is in the end of this article.

Table 1, Clusters of holes based on their risk / reward factors (birdie/bogey percentages). Second column shows which holes belong to which cluster. Average birdie and bogey percentages are shown for these holes for the whole group, the top 30, the middle 30 and the last placed 30 players.

holes average bogey % (top 30, middle 30, last 30) average birdie % (top 30, middle 30, last 30)
low risk – high reward 5, 11, 13, 21 11 % (6 %, 9%, 16%) 37 % (50 %, 39 %, 23%)
high risk – low reward 2, 4, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 16, 17, 20 28 % (23 %, 28%, 32%) 9 % (14 %, 7%, 5%)
risk – reward 3, 6, 7, 15, 18, 19 19 % (12%, 17%, 27%) 24 % (33 %, 22%, 15%)

The first row in table 1 shows the easiest holes. Hole 5 in figure 2 is easiest hole on the course to play par or better, has no real hazards and is easy to birdie with a right fading shot. Hole 11 in the second leg of the course, plays slightly downhill, is short and open but has a steep drop right behind the basket. Hole 13 is a relatively easy par 4 which surprisingly no one eagled in 2015 in the open division, but had an unbelievable 63 % of birdies in the top 30 players. Hole 21 is a short island hole which is also easy to birdie especially for the top players and the middle field. Even though these holes are relatively easy the last 30 players in the open division still managed to have around 20 % of bogies in holes 11, 13 and 21, which means that Tali has very few “safe” holes. Hole 5 was the exception and had very few bogies throughout the weekend.

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Figure 2, Hole 5 is the least risky hole in Tali. It’s not a “gimmy” hole, but the basket is approachable from most teeshots.

Probably the nastiest holes of Tali are presented in the second row of Table 1. These holes are quite difficult, offer few birdies and should favor conservative play:

  • Hole 2, in Figure 4, is a par 4 and has a triple mando going into a tight left turning tunnel. Finding good placement on this hole requires a lot of luck as well as skill.
  • Hole 4 (regular 2b) is a devilishly tight and protected par 4, although some trees and bushes have been trimmed for this year.
  • It is quite surprising that hole 9 is in the high risk – low reward category. This hole demands a fairly long straight shot, but is difficult to birdie with an RHBH. The basket is protected from the right side by a bush and some trees.
  • Hole 10 is incredibly tight and quite long, requires a tunnel shot and has OB both sides. OB rolls, and tree kicks to Vermo (neighboring horse racing track) are frequent events on Hole 8. An indicator of difficulty on Hole 8 is that the weakest third of the open division had 37 % of double bogies or worse.
  • Hole 12 is a 110 m uphill shot which needs to fade right in the end. This makes it very difficult to birdie – success rate for the top 30 was only 9 %.
  • Hole 14 should be an obvious safety fairway shot since there is OB all around the basket and the drop zone is fairly far from the basket.
  • Hole 16 is one of the nicest looking holes in Tali but demands either a monster hyzer or a risky turn-over shot over an OB island.
  • Hole 17 is basically a 131 meter tunnel shot, and hole 20 is a par 4 ending in an island green.

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Figure 3, Hole 14 favors conservative play because of the OB and the relatively far DZ. This hole sees more birdie attempts in the final round when players take risks for position.

The final row of Table 1 presents the holes that are quite risky but most players should be able to birdie them:

  • The additional Hole 3, in Figure 4, should be an easy shot, but has OB on the right side.
  • Hole 6 is a tight but relatively safe and short finesse shot through a lot of trees.
  • The basket on hole 7 is reachable by two controlled shots.
  • Hole 15 is easy if you have the power for a monster RHBH hyzer shot.
  • Hole 18 plays well with a decent forehand or a slow turning midrange shot.
  • Hole 19 requires an accurate and floaty downhill shot through an early gap in the trees.

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Figure 4, Map of the Tali Open course. Hole numbering is different from the regular setup.

Hole 15 (regular 13) was a separator hole in 2015 because it requires a lot of power and very few birdies were made in the lowest positioning third of the players. Holes 9 and 20 were also difficult to birdie for the weaker players but manageable for the top players. Holes 8 and 12 were very difficult to birdie for all the players and many players choose to lay-up in hole 14 because of the lurking OB. Hole 8 was definitely the most difficult hole with a 64 % of bogies or worse throughout the open division.

Overall Tali is a challenging course but not crushingly difficult. The challenge is created mostly by tight fairways with plenty of OB. Tali demands a variety of accurate shots and isn’t too favorable to power throwers. Players looking to finish high in Men’s Open division should play each round conservatively staying out of trouble as much as possible.

Table 2, Mens Open division percentages for different groups

hole birdie % top 30 mid 30 low 30 par % top 30 mid 30 low 30 bogey % top 30 mid 30 low 30 worse % top worse % mid worse % low
1 30 41(6% eagles) 27 22 35 32 42 30 23 16 21 32 6 10 16
2 13 22 11 6 29 36 28 24 33 31 38 31 11 23 39
3 24 36(1% eagles) 19 17 58 52 68 53 15 10 11 23 1 2 7
4 13 18 12 9 41 48 44 32 31 28 30 34 7 13 24
5 29 38 32 18 63 54 60 73 7 8 7 7 0 1 2
6 20 24 26 10 56 63 51 54 20 12 19 30 0 4 6
7 21 29 21 13 49 52 50 43 24 17 24 32 2 4 11
8 2 3 1 2 33 46 31 23 38 38 43 33 13 24 41
9 12 20 6 11 60 64 72 44 23 14 19 34 1 3 10
10 9 14 10 3 34 39 42 22 33 31 29 38 16 19 37
11 32 44 32 20 56 51 57 59 11 4 9 19 0 2 2
12 3 9 1 0 61 73 59 50 23 17 22 30 1 18 20
13 44 63 42 27 41 30 40 53 13 7 13 18 0 4 2
14 5 2 8 4 58 79 49 47 17 13 20 19 6 23 30
15 18 32 20 2 64 58 67 69 16 10 10 28 0 3 1
16 11 16 13 6 54 63 57 42 24 16 21 34 6 9 18
17 5 10 4 1 57 69 56 48 26 19 26 34 2 14 17
18 27 38 26 19 55 47 59 59 16 14 14 20 1 1 2
19 25 34 18 23 57 58 60 52 16 8 19 20 0 3 4
20 11 23 8 3 26 36 27 14 30 22 37 32 19 29 50
21 43 56 49 26 39 37 39 42 12 7 9 20 1 3 12

Table 3, Women’s division percentages

hole birdie % par % bogey % worse %
1 0 39 25 35
2 10 16 24 51
3 4 51 35 10
4 2 12 45 41
5 20 69 12 0
6 8 49 31 12
7 6 22 43 29
8 0 10 53 37
9 2 51 31 16
10 0 8 39 53
11 12 63 18 8
12 0 33 49 18
13 10 57 18 16
14 2 49 27 22
15 0 55 31 14
16 0 25 49 25
17 0 33 41 25
18 6 71 12 12
19 4 55 33 8
20 0 14 24 63
21 12 49 35 4

Table 4, Masters and grandmasters percentages

hole eagle % birdie % par % bogey % worse %
1 2 18 46 23 12
2 0 11 25 31 33
3 0 17 62 15 7
4 0 5 42 34 19
5 0 24 64 12 0
6 0 14 58 26 2
7 0 14 43 33 10
8 0 0 27 49 24
9 0 9 64 24 3
10 0 2 39 34 25
11 0 35 56 8 1
12 0 2 51 38 10
13 0 34 43 15 8
14 0 7 64 13 16
15 0 7 60 26 8
16 0 4 38 43 14
17 0 0 45 39 16
18 0 13 63 21 3
19 0 23 53 21 4
20 0 3 23 45 29
21 0 35 48 11 6

Author: Miikka de Vocht

http://discgolfinnumbers.blogspot.fi/

Wildcards for Haix Tali Open 2016

Haix Tali Open 2015 Wildcards have been assigned to the following players.

Ville Virtanen 63329
Toni Toivonen 8775
Synthya Whitaker 63422
Niko Kempas 65571
Harri Neuvonen 8571
Juho Hautala 57978
Juhani Lehtonen 48418
Kalle Eksymä 27561
Seppo Kuikka 28837
Martin Rotmeister 51689
Marcus Ejdetjärn 53648
Joseph Kelleher 57599
Vesa Huotelin 59665
Richard Forsman 46729
Karl Sandevärn 46913
Toni Syrjänen 52973
Mikko Laihonen 49104
Tuomo Seppälä 60377
Ardo sepp 47270
Paul Ulibarri 27171
Catrina Allen 44184
Teemu Malmelin 39681
Miska Luoma 73812
Jens Grimbergen 80056

Haix Tali Open Prize Money

Thank you to all players. If you won money please send e-mail to
markus.stigzelius@gmail.com (IBAN/BIC-Code, name, division and position).

If you want to hold your amateur status and decline the money prize, please inform us ASAP. You will get a gift card to Frisbeepoint.

Total Purse 11.620€

OPEN – MPO

POS. PLAYER R1 R2 R3 TOT  +/-  PRIZE
1. 2 Seppo Paju 67 63 62 192 -18 1000 €
2. -1 Christian Sandström 63 64 66 193 -17 700 €
3. -1 Matias Söderström 64 65 66 195 -15 500 €
4. 3 Leo Piironen 68 70 60 198 -12 378 €
5. -1 Janne Hirsimäki 65 68 67 200 -10 331 €
6. 4 Juho Parviainen 70 69 62 201 -9 304 €
7. -1 Teemu Nissinen 70 66 68 204 -6 277 €
7. -2 Nils Iso-Markku 69 66 69 204 -6 277 €
9. 1 Raimo Sokka 70 69 68 207 -3 239 €
9. -2 Martin Rotmeister 70 68 69 207 -3 239 €
11. 16 Tomas Rosenqvist 75 73 60 208 -2 209 €
11. 3 Mikko Laihonen 70 71 67 208 -2 209 €
13. 2 Lassi Hakulinen 72 70 67 209 -1 186 €
13. Dick Lampinen 71 69 69 209 -1 186 €
15. 7 Ilari Tuoma 71 75 64 210 E 169 €
15. 2 Pasi Koivu 66 77 67 210 E 169 €
15. -8 Arttu Sikanen 69 69 72 210 E 169 €
18. 4 Mikael Häme 72 74 65 211 +1 155 €
19. -2 Jukka Leinonen 73 70 70 213 +3 148 €
20. 7 Tuomas Javanainen 73 75 66 214 +4 142 €
21. 13 Miko Fyhr 70 79 66 215 +5 121 €
21. 6 Jasper Heino 75 73 67 215 +5 121 €
21. 3 Markku Nirkkonen 71 76 68 215 +5 121 €
21. Jonni Rechardt 76 68 71 215 +5 121 €
21. -11 Jarmo Aulu 66 73 76 215 +5 121 €
26. 8 Riku Vink 76 73 67 216 +6 101 €
27. -10 Jeppe Sørensen 67 76 74 217 +7 94 €
27. -12 Antti Koivula 69 73 75 217 +7 94 €
29. 10 Joonas Kuitunen 74 76 68 218 +8 58 €
29. -2 Rauli Lehtinen 70 78 70 218 +8 58 €
29. -12 Arttu Stoor 71 72 75 218 +8 58 €

MASTERS – MPM

POS. PLAYER R1 R2 R3 TOT  +/-  PRIZE
1. Ville Piippo 71 66 67 204 -6 650 €
2. 6 Mats Öberg 78 72 68 218 +8 331 €
2. 3 Ari Penttala 71 76 71 218 +8 331 €
2. 3 Jani Winterhalter 68 79 71 218 +8 331 €
5. Kari Vesala 75 72 73 220 +10 202 €
6. -3 Marko Hämäläinen 80 66 75 221 +11 150 €
6. -4 Peter Bygde 73 72 76 221 +11 150 €
8. -5 Tomi Nieminen 73 73 76 222 +12 119 €
9. 1 Kai Vesa 75 77 72 224 +14 106 €
10. -1 Kenneth Wiberg 76 75 74 225 +15 96 €
11. -1 Toni Asikainen 73 79 74 226 +16 86 €
12. 6 Marco Hyvärinen 82 77 68 227 +17 81 €

GRANDMASTERS – MPG

POS. PLAYER R1 R2 R3 TOT  +/-  PRIZE
1. Björn Lindholm 85 81 76 242 +32 330 €
2. 2 Heikki Savolainen 83 85 76 244 +34 100 €
2. 1 Ville Kotamäki 87 80 77 244 +34 100 €

WOMEN – FPO

POS. PLAYER R1 R2 R3 TOT  +/-  PRIZE
1. Marianne Jakonen 71 86 78 235 +25 500 €
2. Sofie Sandström 79 82 76 237 +27 310 €
3. Ellinoora Heikkilä 84 78 84 246 +36 210 €
4. 2 Henna Blomroos 89 83 76 248 +38 161 €
5. Natalie Holloköi 89 82 81 252 +42 127 €
6. -2 Soile Mutikainen 77 91 87 255 +45 94 €